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I think you're crazy...This is a pretty great post. I think you're crazy to say that comics readers are "generally intelligent," but otherwise, pretty fantastic stuff.Tucker Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10793079084633425826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-58096256348452219342008-03-26T10:47:00.000-07:002008-03-26T10:47:00.000-07:00Dick, it's sad how prevalent that "stupid game get...Dick, it's <I>sad</I> how prevalent that "stupid game getting in the way of my cutscenes" mentality is. After a major new "epic" RPG like a Final Fantasy or a Xenosaga has gone up, it's usually a day or so before all the cutscenes have been ripped from the disc and are being torrented or YouTubed. <BR/><BR/>(This doesn't happen with the Atlus games I know you follow, because those are actually a joy to play and don't rely purely on cutscenes for storytelling.) <BR/><BR/>That said, Square-Enix has sort of brought it on themselves. A lot of their recent "brand extension" sequels for FFVII have simply not been good games, banking instead of players' attachment to the FFVII cast to make them play it anyway. Of course nobody wants to play Dirge of Cerberus or Crisis Core, and pairing interesting cutscenes to lousy gameplay is just insulting. <BR/><BR/>It's kind of comparable to how DC is effectively using Countdown and similar lousy continuity interconnections to "hold hostage" characters they know fans obsess over anyway, and will feel compelled to follow.Lynxarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06522492000085311952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-54608329563873936212008-03-25T20:19:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:19:00.000-07:00DC Comics: Look how awesome these comics are going...DC Comics: Look how awesome these comics are going to be in eighteen months!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-61477671879515966642008-03-25T19:47:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:47:00.000-07:00My memory is that both companies have gone through...My memory is that both companies have gone through periods of pushing creators and quality of work -- actually, it was such a part of DC in the late '80s that people made fun of Marvel for not doing it. There are related items that work into that expression of culture: Image's success was a repudiation of not paying attention to those issues, while names on the cover and the rise of Vertigo were in part because of the value people saw in such endorsements of expression.<BR/><BR/>What I'm talking about isn't so much a hard and fast division of what's being hyped and how as how focused that specific element is when compared to other elements. The first Crisis on Infinite Earths had its "look what happens" element to it, but it was also pushed as an awesome, can't-miss experience to a much greater extent than that last goofy thing was. "Supergirl is dead and it's freaking awesome and you must buy this comic" vs. "A major character dies; can you fathom the repercussions?" Even John Byrne's Superman take-over was about John Byrne and his being awesome as much as it was about the new Superman. Ditto Frank Miller's DC projects, which was all about seeing what the hell Frank was going to do, not what the hell was going to happen to Booster Gold. (This is ironic because much of the initial and even lingering power of Dark Knight Returns was its being the "real" ending to the "real" Batman to paraphrase Alan Moore.)<BR/><BR/>Basically all comics events now are a cross between Dark Knight Returns and Secret Wars. And considering how successful those were, it's not surprising.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-41493573893213177672008-03-25T18:15:00.000-07:002008-03-25T18:15:00.000-07:00markandrew, I think I'd have to disagree a little....markandrew, I think I'd have to disagree a little. I think part of the emphasis on plot has to do with something somebody (Dick, maybe?) mentioned a while ago when one of those debates about 'canon/continuity' was raging.<BR/><BR/>It seems like, at least on a subconscious level,the DC/Marvel universes can be like real places, and fans buy their monthly comics in order to find out what happened there since the last comic they read. Hence the emphasis on canonical/in-continuity storytelling. It's like a little window into what The Flash has been up to since February.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-66129734758214410602008-03-25T16:53:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:53:00.000-07:00I dunno... If they (we, I) were that smart, would...I dunno... If they (we, I) were that smart, wouldn't they be reading Joyce and listening to Louis Andriessen, though?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-40496935489906026842008-03-25T16:28:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:28:00.000-07:00Oh, comics fans are (generally speaking) VERY smar...Oh, comics fans are (generally speaking) VERY smart people. They frequently have very smart things to say about stuff other than comics, a lot of which matters much more than comics. And this only adds to my frustration.<BR/><BR/>Alicia, I've read Final Fantasy fans complaints that they had to play through one of the recent spinoffs, when they really only wanted to watch the cut scenes. Blew my mind at the time.Dick Hyacinth's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11199236541341734429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-91229164911206640962008-03-25T16:16:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:16:00.000-07:00I see the plot heavy focus as basically cyclical. ...I see the plot heavy focus as basically cyclical. Crisis on whatever and Secret Wars 14 were plot heavy. Silver age DC Comics were plot heavy... Hey, Superman got turned into a pink monkey with eyeballs that detach and declare themselves lord of South America is a plot, right? <BR/><BR/>But what's the alternative? Speculator "Here's some more X-men bullshit with a shiny cover you should put in a bag and NEVER READ"<BR/><BR/>.... <BR/><BR/>Good advice...<BR/><BR/>Or legitimately touting creators as the most important aspect of the comics? <BR/><BR/> See what happened with Image.<BR/><BR/>Marvel does not want another Image. <BR/><BR/>And, honestly, I PROBABLY wouldn't say this on my blog...<BR/><BR/>But given that the discourse is about brightly colored juvenile power fantasies that STILL basically exist to pander to their audience, I'm surprised at how bright comic fans are.<BR/><BR/>Even the stupid "Fuck you Quesada, you killed Spoiler" gals are acknowledging that there ARE real people involved in the creative process.<BR/><BR/>They don't understand what those real people actually DO (or the idea of "creative process," usually) but they're showing at least some ability to distinguish between fantasy and... well, fantasy BASED in reality. I guess. <BR/><BR/>You sometimes don't get that in Anime fandom. (Er, so I've heard.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-75128838707783097742008-03-25T16:14:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:14:00.000-07:00The ascendancy of plot isn't unique to comic book ...The ascendancy of plot isn't unique to comic book fan communities. It is something that crops up in just about every internet fan community focuses on an "ongoing" source material. <BR/><BR/>It is so prevalent in anime fandom that illegal fansubs for people impatient to hear the latest developments of a series are alleged to be seriously eroding sales of DVD collections; the fans stop caring once they know what happens. Scanlations frequently serve the same role for major manga like Naruto and One Piece. <BR/><BR/>You can also see the same syndrome at work in any organized fandom for an in-production television series, the long, mostly online history of Harry Potter fandom, or video game fans following production cycles of games yet to be released.Lynxarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06522492000085311952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-3751867737719370452008-03-25T15:34:00.000-07:002008-03-25T15:34:00.000-07:00I don't know--I seem to remember John Byrne gettin...I don't know--I seem to remember John Byrne getting a fair amount of hype in the 80s. A lot of it was in the vein of "You won't believe what John Byrne does with our character(s)," rather than "John Byrne is a genius," but that's maybe a bit more than anyone other than Mark Millar manages these days. Maybe Jeph Loeb, too.<BR/><BR/>And there was definitely a push towards "look at this awesome art" or "check out all the awesome explosions" in the 90s. In fact, the only books which I recall consistently depending on plot development were the X-Men books. And then DC temporarily killed off or maimed its major intellectual properties. That might have been a turning point, actually.<BR/><BR/>On the subject of the 90s, here's a thought: maybe the collapse of the speculator market in said decade removed one of Marvel/DC's prime marketing tools (ie, these seemingly stupid comics are in reality shrewd investments), forcing a movement towards ridiculous plots in the mid 90s (like that Avengers/Iron Man thing everyone always complains about) and creative teams in the late 90s--beginning with Heroes Reborn ("The Image boys are back!") and continuing with Heroes <BR/>Return or whatever they called it ("The Image boys are gone again!"). Meanwhile, DC was emphasizing its auteurs at the same time--namely Morrison, Waid, and Robinson. <BR/><BR/>In any event, I'd still say the current plot-heavy style emerged c. 2005 with Countdown to Infinite Crisis and House of M, with both companies primarily concerned with raising the stakes ever since.<BR/><BR/>Agreed that fans of television shows tend to focus on plot, though I might add that they (at least in my experience) are more sensitive to acting than many comics readers are to art. At least on the internet.Dick Hyacinth's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11199236541341734429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7715773315155138002.post-85283026480245253482008-03-25T15:14:00.000-07:002008-03-25T15:14:00.000-07:00I too was struck by that Spurgeon post about the a...I too was struck by that Spurgeon post about the ascendancy of plot. But have Marvel and DC ever really pushed the creators or quality of the work, except for a few "hot" creators? Maybe Marvel in the mid-60s, with Kirby and Lee. But surely there's a very obvious and compelling reason for Marvel/DC *not* to emphasise the aesthetic qualities of most of their product. Namely, their product hasn't got any.<BR/><BR/>What's new is just the expansion of hype-distribution. In the old days, all we had were in-house ads and bullpen bulletins/the DC equivalent. Now, with the internet, the opportunity cost for hyping any particular plot-twist is basically zero (whereas before it was limited at least by how many plugs you could fit into a bullpen bulletin or whatever). So it's all plot all the time.<BR/><BR/>As for comics fandom's focus on plot, I wonder whether it's different from any other narrative fandom. Do message boards for Lost or, I don't know, Gilmore Girls talk more about aesthetics?Jones, one of the Jones boyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149754038216055892noreply@blogger.com